I also forgot to mention their has been lots of cases of femicides and rape on native american reservations in the United states. Lots of native women here are missing sadly. It was even featured in the 2017 movie wind river. If you haven't seen it I highly recommend it. It's from the same director that wrote sicario Taylor sheridon. Talented filmmaker
The Highway of Tears which is highway 16 from Prince George to Prince Rupert in British Columbia, Canada has been a killing field since 1970 primarily of Indian women and many were prostitutes. They have always suspected truckers and they suspect truckers in the United States raping and murdering women on reservations. The movie Wind River is just the tip of the iceberg. Truck stops in the United States have been the links to horrible rapes and murders of young women prostitutes. If the women disappear nobody cares.
Another Canadian city with a horrid history of rapes and murders of native Indian women is Winnipeg. The Canadian government is now trying to placate the demands for action by native women.
Women being abducted as part of the culture was more widespread than Colima. The grandmother of an ex of mine was abducted in the state of Guanajuato and made the wife of the kidnapper some 60-70 years ago, and references to that being a common practice in older times are not uncommon.
The objectification of women in Mexican society, even in somewhat larger cities, is widespread. In places like Guadalajara or Mexico city it seems less common due to the strong presence of feminist activists, but they feel like the exception rather than the rule.
Yeah, in Sinaloa the culture of "robar mujeres" was definitely deep. That is interesting about Guanajuato. It must make strange family stories. I wonder how they end up getting on...
I just had a chat with a cleaning lady, she's about 50, and in her mother's time in the pueblos she still lives in, it was dishonorable for a woman not to marry if a man had walked next to her, touched her shoulder or helped her carry water back. Such different times and places.
I've been asking around about this. It seems that there's two ways that a woman can be "robada". One is more romantic, where both the woman and "abductor" are in love and run away together, blaming the man, since it would not be seen as appropriate if the woman was willing and out of wedlock.
The other is the one where women were actually abducted. The versions and predominance of one or the other seems to vary from place to place, in Guanajuato there seemed to be more of a reference to the former and some friends from Puebla told me the latter was more common.
My samples are extremely small and biased though, and I'm not sure how much the first case romanticizes the objectification of women.
That is so interesting and squares with what I have heard. It's fascinating how that same word "robar" could be steal a woman's heart and literally kidnap her.
Definitely a sad subject. And easily the worst thing cartels do. Even more then the killing. Also the Bosnian example was also highly tragic. The yugoslav wars were highly brutal. Don't forget in Vietnam their has been cases of American servicemen raping Vietnamese women. Of course they were disciplined I believe. And in ww2 the imperial Japanese army had sex slaves in their conquered territories. Their most infamous example was the rape of nanking in 1937 pre ww2. Isis also committed cases of rape during their rampage in Iraq and Syria. In Africa boko Haram also did it. During the sierra leone civil war, sierra leonean women were impregnated by the RUF rebels. Definitely a grim war crime. If the cartels are designated terrorists then when they do rape could they be prosecuted under war crimes?
Very good point about Vietnam. I wonder if in that case it was used to terrorize the Vietnamese or just soldiers raping because they were unleashed and could - and there was a sexual desire element. I don't think too much hope of prosecuting cartels for war crimes, and war crime convictions are a mess, but I agree the cartels are war criminals...
A good phrase for this dark subject. Man is certainly capable of evil and I agree we need a moral compass. I wonder though if animals wield forced sex as a weapon or just as an instinctual sexual desire... Abrazo David.
A terrible update to your report. Civil war is raging now in Sudan and areas of Sudan are now declared a famine region. To add to that economic disaster, not only are women hungry and malnourished but also raped at an unbelievable number by the rebel faction. Trophies of war is what motivates the rebel army soldiers. This maybe exceeding the horrors of the Democratic Republic of Congo.
What an absolute tragedy. Among the horrors from violence in Africa, rape definitely seems to be a very predominant crime. I'll have to read more on Sudan.
The real untold atrocities against German women in World War 2 involved not only the Soviet Union troops but all the Allied troops. A Life magazine article in 1946 quoted an army major who said ‘Lust, liquor and loot are the soldier’s pay.’ Osmar White, an Australian war correspondent said "After the fighting moved on to German soil, there was a good deal of rape by combat troops, and by those immediately following them." Estimates of over 14,000 rapes in England, France and Germany were committed by American troops. That I think was an unleashing of unbridled sexual lust freed from the sexual mores of the United States then. The Soviet troops were ordered to rape and kill in retaliation for the German atrocities in the invasion of the Soviet Union. No German woman from 8 years old to 80 years old were spared. It is estimated only 10 percent of German women escaped the savagery of the Soviet troops. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote a poem about the rapes when he was in Germany.
Not much is talked about the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia who exterminated up to 3 million so-called reactionaries which always included the rape and humiliation of women and then there execution. 25 percent of Cambodia's population was murdered.
Boko Haram, the Islamic terrorist army operating in Nigeria and surrounding border countries, always enters Christian villages, raping and mutilating to death the women while making the men watch and then slaughtering the men.
In the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which at times is the rape capital of the world, there are many rebel armies operating in the jungles and rape is tolerated as a way to alleviate the sexual desires of their soldiers being separated from women for long periods of time. When rebel activity decreases, rapes go down.
A grim recount of some of the worst conflicts - and a great and largely unknown point about the U.S. troops (and Brits) doing rapes in our liberation. Not a story we like putting a stain on "Our Greatest Hour."
I battle with the thought that it is the true nature of Man. We like to paint the rapists as if they are monsters akin to sociopaths but, more often, they're what we would have thought of as average before the rape.
It's the father and uncle overpowering the little boy or girl they're supposed to protect ( I remind you of the link i sent you to that South African documentary).
Or it's a regular high school kid who had similar dreams to everyone else but changed in a moment with other men who were also given a gun and sent to a foreign country.
Those painted as the bad guys in war are double-coated as devils. It's they who rape, whilst the good guys liberate. But in reality every army rapes.
If the average Joe who had no intention of being a rapist becomes a rapist, is the real monster Man?
We pretend our species isn't animal, but it is. Is someone of lower IQ more likely to act like other animals? As said, I struggle with such thoughts, including the desire to wipe out rapists.
I'm sure that you will be fascinated/angered by this short doccie, 'Women as Spoils of War at the End of WW2'. I'd kept the link, meaning to share on my own page in the future - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPksoZ1e6rw
Great insights as always and thanks for that link. (Sorry for the slow reply - I was on the move). Are you still getting access okay to the Stack, and just not getting the mails? Are they perhaps going to junk or something. Please let me know if I need to fix anything. All best there friend and I'll check out that link.
Thank you for addressing this very important and difficult topic.
My colleague David Moreno Candil from Univ. Autonoma del Oriente makes a difference between endogenous cartels (e.g. CDS in Sinaloa) and exogenous cartels (e.g. CDS/CJNG in Chiapas) in the type of cartel/population relations he observes. Do you also observe that difference and would you say it impacts the propensity of sexual violence perpetrated ?
I also forgot to mention their has been lots of cases of femicides and rape on native american reservations in the United states. Lots of native women here are missing sadly. It was even featured in the 2017 movie wind river. If you haven't seen it I highly recommend it. It's from the same director that wrote sicario Taylor sheridon. Talented filmmaker
Yeah, I have heard about those cases. Do they have any idea who is behind them?
The Highway of Tears which is highway 16 from Prince George to Prince Rupert in British Columbia, Canada has been a killing field since 1970 primarily of Indian women and many were prostitutes. They have always suspected truckers and they suspect truckers in the United States raping and murdering women on reservations. The movie Wind River is just the tip of the iceberg. Truck stops in the United States have been the links to horrible rapes and murders of young women prostitutes. If the women disappear nobody cares.
Another Canadian city with a horrid history of rapes and murders of native Indian women is Winnipeg. The Canadian government is now trying to placate the demands for action by native women.
That is interesting. Yet another grim atrocity to think on.
Women being abducted as part of the culture was more widespread than Colima. The grandmother of an ex of mine was abducted in the state of Guanajuato and made the wife of the kidnapper some 60-70 years ago, and references to that being a common practice in older times are not uncommon.
The objectification of women in Mexican society, even in somewhat larger cities, is widespread. In places like Guadalajara or Mexico city it seems less common due to the strong presence of feminist activists, but they feel like the exception rather than the rule.
Yeah, in Sinaloa the culture of "robar mujeres" was definitely deep. That is interesting about Guanajuato. It must make strange family stories. I wonder how they end up getting on...
Wish I'd asked her when we still talked, c'est la vie I guess
Yeah, it would interesting to hear more of these stories. It's an alien culture now but I guess it was totally normal for many years...
I just had a chat with a cleaning lady, she's about 50, and in her mother's time in the pueblos she still lives in, it was dishonorable for a woman not to marry if a man had walked next to her, touched her shoulder or helped her carry water back. Such different times and places.
Wow, that is crazy. Do you know what state that was?
Yep, Guanajuato around the southwest of the state, more or less.
I've been asking around about this. It seems that there's two ways that a woman can be "robada". One is more romantic, where both the woman and "abductor" are in love and run away together, blaming the man, since it would not be seen as appropriate if the woman was willing and out of wedlock.
The other is the one where women were actually abducted. The versions and predominance of one or the other seems to vary from place to place, in Guanajuato there seemed to be more of a reference to the former and some friends from Puebla told me the latter was more common.
My samples are extremely small and biased though, and I'm not sure how much the first case romanticizes the objectification of women.
That is so interesting and squares with what I have heard. It's fascinating how that same word "robar" could be steal a woman's heart and literally kidnap her.
Definitely a sad subject. And easily the worst thing cartels do. Even more then the killing. Also the Bosnian example was also highly tragic. The yugoslav wars were highly brutal. Don't forget in Vietnam their has been cases of American servicemen raping Vietnamese women. Of course they were disciplined I believe. And in ww2 the imperial Japanese army had sex slaves in their conquered territories. Their most infamous example was the rape of nanking in 1937 pre ww2. Isis also committed cases of rape during their rampage in Iraq and Syria. In Africa boko Haram also did it. During the sierra leone civil war, sierra leonean women were impregnated by the RUF rebels. Definitely a grim war crime. If the cartels are designated terrorists then when they do rape could they be prosecuted under war crimes?
Very good point about Vietnam. I wonder if in that case it was used to terrorize the Vietnamese or just soldiers raping because they were unleashed and could - and there was a sexual desire element. I don't think too much hope of prosecuting cartels for war crimes, and war crime convictions are a mess, but I agree the cartels are war criminals...
They don't seem like common criminals to me anymore.
Agreed on that one!
Without a higher purpose man is not more than another animal.
A good phrase for this dark subject. Man is certainly capable of evil and I agree we need a moral compass. I wonder though if animals wield forced sex as a weapon or just as an instinctual sexual desire... Abrazo David.
Yes, I was thinking man is capable of worse.
That we are my friend...
A terrible update to your report. Civil war is raging now in Sudan and areas of Sudan are now declared a famine region. To add to that economic disaster, not only are women hungry and malnourished but also raped at an unbelievable number by the rebel faction. Trophies of war is what motivates the rebel army soldiers. This maybe exceeding the horrors of the Democratic Republic of Congo.
What an absolute tragedy. Among the horrors from violence in Africa, rape definitely seems to be a very predominant crime. I'll have to read more on Sudan.
During the Rwandan genocide , up to 250,000 women were raped.
Rape by cartel members is a "rite of passage" for women and girls illegally crossing the U.S. border.
Hamas used rape on men and women Oct 6th
Yes exactly - a horrific weapon of war. The Rwandan genocide is an event that I can never get my head round.
The real untold atrocities against German women in World War 2 involved not only the Soviet Union troops but all the Allied troops. A Life magazine article in 1946 quoted an army major who said ‘Lust, liquor and loot are the soldier’s pay.’ Osmar White, an Australian war correspondent said "After the fighting moved on to German soil, there was a good deal of rape by combat troops, and by those immediately following them." Estimates of over 14,000 rapes in England, France and Germany were committed by American troops. That I think was an unleashing of unbridled sexual lust freed from the sexual mores of the United States then. The Soviet troops were ordered to rape and kill in retaliation for the German atrocities in the invasion of the Soviet Union. No German woman from 8 years old to 80 years old were spared. It is estimated only 10 percent of German women escaped the savagery of the Soviet troops. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote a poem about the rapes when he was in Germany.
Not much is talked about the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia who exterminated up to 3 million so-called reactionaries which always included the rape and humiliation of women and then there execution. 25 percent of Cambodia's population was murdered.
Boko Haram, the Islamic terrorist army operating in Nigeria and surrounding border countries, always enters Christian villages, raping and mutilating to death the women while making the men watch and then slaughtering the men.
In the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which at times is the rape capital of the world, there are many rebel armies operating in the jungles and rape is tolerated as a way to alleviate the sexual desires of their soldiers being separated from women for long periods of time. When rebel activity decreases, rapes go down.
A grim recount of some of the worst conflicts - and a great and largely unknown point about the U.S. troops (and Brits) doing rapes in our liberation. Not a story we like putting a stain on "Our Greatest Hour."
One of your best!
I battle with the thought that it is the true nature of Man. We like to paint the rapists as if they are monsters akin to sociopaths but, more often, they're what we would have thought of as average before the rape.
It's the father and uncle overpowering the little boy or girl they're supposed to protect ( I remind you of the link i sent you to that South African documentary).
Or it's a regular high school kid who had similar dreams to everyone else but changed in a moment with other men who were also given a gun and sent to a foreign country.
Those painted as the bad guys in war are double-coated as devils. It's they who rape, whilst the good guys liberate. But in reality every army rapes.
If the average Joe who had no intention of being a rapist becomes a rapist, is the real monster Man?
We pretend our species isn't animal, but it is. Is someone of lower IQ more likely to act like other animals? As said, I struggle with such thoughts, including the desire to wipe out rapists.
I'm sure that you will be fascinated/angered by this short doccie, 'Women as Spoils of War at the End of WW2'. I'd kept the link, meaning to share on my own page in the future - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPksoZ1e6rw
PS: Substack no longer sending me notifications.
Great insights as always and thanks for that link. (Sorry for the slow reply - I was on the move). Are you still getting access okay to the Stack, and just not getting the mails? Are they perhaps going to junk or something. Please let me know if I need to fix anything. All best there friend and I'll check out that link.
Don't apologise. Substack isn't life. And I'm off it more than on nowadays.
I'm receiving notifications now but Chat doesn't work. Nothing to do with you. Everything to do with A.I. persuading Human Support to respond to me.
True words. Choose life. SSDD.
Gotta wonder if this attack would have happened to a man as well making the same comments: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minerva-perez-killed-fisheries-leader-complained-cartel-extortion-shot-dead-mexico/
Yeah, that is tragic but there have definitely been various men too who complain about extorsion and get murdered by the cartel...
Thank you for addressing this very important and difficult topic.
My colleague David Moreno Candil from Univ. Autonoma del Oriente makes a difference between endogenous cartels (e.g. CDS in Sinaloa) and exogenous cartels (e.g. CDS/CJNG in Chiapas) in the type of cartel/population relations he observes. Do you also observe that difference and would you say it impacts the propensity of sexual violence perpetrated ?