With the Chapitos claiming they have banned fentanyl production and China promising to crack down on fentanyl precursors strongly suggests there are cheaper alternatives to producing fentanyl yet even more addictive then fentanyl. The Frankenstein opioids, nitazines, are starting to spread through the streets and it is a drug that is 2 to 40 times more addictive then fentanyl yet it is easier and cheaper to make. Only multiple doses of narcan can reverse the damaging effects of nitazines.
We now have another perfect drug for cartels. Cheaper to make and more addictive to keep up the steady supply of customers. This is also the perfect drug for China to produce and promote to destroy the stupid Americans who consume massive amounts of drugs. For the cartels, they may not be so reliant on outside providers of precursors.
The United States realized in the 1950's that synthesized nitazines were extremely toxic for sedation and respiratory depression. Another example of life saving chemistry from our outstanding pharmaceutical companies who are always concerned about their customer's quality of life!
Wow, that is a terrifying prospect. Still, we will have to see how this wave of opioid addiction plays out. What is the limit to how many Americans can die before it reaches peak? I guess we are going to find out the hard way. Best!
Indeed, China must certainly have a deep memory about the Opium wars. I want to dig deeper into that period for a story to come. All best there PinHead.
The British Empire and the East India Trading Company probably can be touted as the largest and most successful drug cartel in history thus creating the most effective trap of colonialism and imperialism. Stupefy your subjects into submission with opium. China in 1900 had over 90 million opium addicts and it took over 50 years to eliminate the problem. Why would one be surprised that China is involved in polluting the West with such an addictive drug as fentanyl. Certainly a less obvious revolutionary tactic then butting heads with the West militarily but for sure a very effective and possibly a more ruthless alternative to military action.
Yeah, it's a real crazy and dark history. I understand it was Red China under Mau that finally got rid of the Chinese opium epidemic, seeing it as an imperial vice and sending addicts to re-education camps. Still, we need to learn more about how the current Chinese government is really functioning on this fentanyl - and if they are complicit who is really making that call and how. Best there estimado Tom.
When Mao conducted his march of victory for two years after World War 2, he encouraged everyone in the villages to drag out their political officials, criminals especially drug dealers and other people that the populace thought had exploited them to the public square where Mao's People's Army either hung them, shot them or tortured them to death. From that time on there was no tolerance for drug use or drug dealing. Re-education camps were for the users. Death was the sentence for dealers.
So called criminal organizations that deal with fentanyl in China are allowed to exist by the Chinese government. China's export of fentanyl can only be looked at as a political black ops operation by the Chinese government. A lot of this is documented in Asian papers particularly in Hong Kong before the lockdown by the Chinese government. Various books about modern China allude to these operations which of course are officially separated from the Communist Party. It is not a stretch to assume that such a large scale criminal enterprise in China is known very well to the leadership in China. Honestly, I can not blame them considering their history and I think there will be further escalation with the restriction of AI technology and computer chips and graphic cards being sent to China by the US. The irony of the situation is we, the USA are telling a country, Taiwan, which is still technically a part of China, not to sell any of this technology to China.
That is fascinating and understudied history on the attacks on drug dealers under Mao. I also understand the Bureau of Narcotics at the time played up an untrue threat that Red China was moving opium - when it was actually the US allies in the nationalist movement doing it. Great lead on those Hong Kong papers on how China is operating today.
It’s interesting how this has all developed over the years. The methods haven’t changed all that much but procuring the mules has been made so much easier by social media.
This whole fentanyl. Sympathic opioid. Is I believe going to bring or sorry come to the boiling point of no return. That's why alot of people asking for cartels to be classed as terrorists. This new synthetic opioid. Has the same ability of any weapon of mass destruction Im frightened do the cartels know exactly the out come for them in there own country. It's poison in the land itself. agriculturally with set ups being left in a hurry. The long term affects this drug has on not only the country of Mexico but world wide a frightening prospect.
Los Chapitos have landed in one of the thorniest dilemmae of the drug trade: a new product, obviously poisonous and a magnet for authorities' heat; yet the money it produces could be enough to finance potential new challengers to their not-yet-solidified control of their plaza. They gotta appear to stay away from it; but also worry about who may not be.
Great point. It will be interesting to watch how the cartels deal with the new drugs (and with what hazardous consequences). The Chapitos are in a powerful yet also difficult spot; right now I think their main goal is to survive the rest of the AMLO presidency...Best there Shaggy.
With the Chapitos claiming they have banned fentanyl production and China promising to crack down on fentanyl precursors strongly suggests there are cheaper alternatives to producing fentanyl yet even more addictive then fentanyl. The Frankenstein opioids, nitazines, are starting to spread through the streets and it is a drug that is 2 to 40 times more addictive then fentanyl yet it is easier and cheaper to make. Only multiple doses of narcan can reverse the damaging effects of nitazines.
We now have another perfect drug for cartels. Cheaper to make and more addictive to keep up the steady supply of customers. This is also the perfect drug for China to produce and promote to destroy the stupid Americans who consume massive amounts of drugs. For the cartels, they may not be so reliant on outside providers of precursors.
The United States realized in the 1950's that synthesized nitazines were extremely toxic for sedation and respiratory depression. Another example of life saving chemistry from our outstanding pharmaceutical companies who are always concerned about their customer's quality of life!
Wow, that is a terrifying prospect. Still, we will have to see how this wave of opioid addiction plays out. What is the limit to how many Americans can die before it reaches peak? I guess we are going to find out the hard way. Best!
"one of the worst overdose crises the world has ever known" One has to assume, China has a better memory of 'the opium wars' than any LEO in the USA
Indeed, China must certainly have a deep memory about the Opium wars. I want to dig deeper into that period for a story to come. All best there PinHead.
The British Empire and the East India Trading Company probably can be touted as the largest and most successful drug cartel in history thus creating the most effective trap of colonialism and imperialism. Stupefy your subjects into submission with opium. China in 1900 had over 90 million opium addicts and it took over 50 years to eliminate the problem. Why would one be surprised that China is involved in polluting the West with such an addictive drug as fentanyl. Certainly a less obvious revolutionary tactic then butting heads with the West militarily but for sure a very effective and possibly a more ruthless alternative to military action.
Yeah, it's a real crazy and dark history. I understand it was Red China under Mau that finally got rid of the Chinese opium epidemic, seeing it as an imperial vice and sending addicts to re-education camps. Still, we need to learn more about how the current Chinese government is really functioning on this fentanyl - and if they are complicit who is really making that call and how. Best there estimado Tom.
When Mao conducted his march of victory for two years after World War 2, he encouraged everyone in the villages to drag out their political officials, criminals especially drug dealers and other people that the populace thought had exploited them to the public square where Mao's People's Army either hung them, shot them or tortured them to death. From that time on there was no tolerance for drug use or drug dealing. Re-education camps were for the users. Death was the sentence for dealers.
So called criminal organizations that deal with fentanyl in China are allowed to exist by the Chinese government. China's export of fentanyl can only be looked at as a political black ops operation by the Chinese government. A lot of this is documented in Asian papers particularly in Hong Kong before the lockdown by the Chinese government. Various books about modern China allude to these operations which of course are officially separated from the Communist Party. It is not a stretch to assume that such a large scale criminal enterprise in China is known very well to the leadership in China. Honestly, I can not blame them considering their history and I think there will be further escalation with the restriction of AI technology and computer chips and graphic cards being sent to China by the US. The irony of the situation is we, the USA are telling a country, Taiwan, which is still technically a part of China, not to sell any of this technology to China.
That is fascinating and understudied history on the attacks on drug dealers under Mao. I also understand the Bureau of Narcotics at the time played up an untrue threat that Red China was moving opium - when it was actually the US allies in the nationalist movement doing it. Great lead on those Hong Kong papers on how China is operating today.
Here is a link to the Brookings Institute papers on China and Fentanyl
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/chinas-role-in-the-fentanyl-crisis/
and books by Julia Lowell on Maoism and Opium Wars are excellent references
An interesting article is sure to follow a title like that but you never answered the eternal question: Does fentanyl cause anal rash?
That story is coming soon - and that is one that could be behind a paywall and bring in a windfall. Same shit, different rash.
Ha ha!
It’s interesting how this has all developed over the years. The methods haven’t changed all that much but procuring the mules has been made so much easier by social media.
Yes, it's one of the downsides of the tech revolution - outsourcing crime through the web. Best there Daniel.
This whole fentanyl. Sympathic opioid. Is I believe going to bring or sorry come to the boiling point of no return. That's why alot of people asking for cartels to be classed as terrorists. This new synthetic opioid. Has the same ability of any weapon of mass destruction Im frightened do the cartels know exactly the out come for them in there own country. It's poison in the land itself. agriculturally with set ups being left in a hurry. The long term affects this drug has on not only the country of Mexico but world wide a frightening prospect.
Los Chapitos have landed in one of the thorniest dilemmae of the drug trade: a new product, obviously poisonous and a magnet for authorities' heat; yet the money it produces could be enough to finance potential new challengers to their not-yet-solidified control of their plaza. They gotta appear to stay away from it; but also worry about who may not be.
Great point. It will be interesting to watch how the cartels deal with the new drugs (and with what hazardous consequences). The Chapitos are in a powerful yet also difficult spot; right now I think their main goal is to survive the rest of the AMLO presidency...Best there Shaggy.