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Daniel Helkenn's avatar

Well I guess that’s one side of that story. There are others.

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Ioan Grillo's avatar

That is true, it's a big complicated situation there with a lot of angles. Best there Daniel.

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Jay K.'s avatar

What’s the other side of the story?

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paul soto's avatar

thanks for the article. we have problems here in the US but nothing like this. I am reminded of two things - the waves of Soviet soldiers throwing themselves into machine gun fire during WWII, and the Dirlewanger Brigade of the SS, made up of the most debased criminals one could imagine. I guess people keep trying what might work for their ends. Man is a wolf to man.

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Ioan Grillo's avatar

Yeah, that passage really struck me as well about the guys marching into machine gun fire. I thought of going over the trenches in World War One. I love this phrase: "Man is a wolf to man."

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David Cashion's avatar

The surprise for me was the large number of Oligarch supported private militia groups operating all over the world.

Wagner was in Africa before coming to Ukraine

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Ioan Grillo's avatar

Yeah, a glimpse at part of the future of war perhaps? Definitely, a rise of a lot of militias since the invasion of Iraq in the noughties.

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